sieger007
05-27 02:07 AM
Hi krishnam
I too have got I140 Approved already in Sept 05.
My concept was that once I140 is approved you are free. Employer cannot do anything.
After 140 approval can employer do anything to jeopardize the GC Process.
Anyway
2005 140 is approved.
2007 I left employer to work in non US Location. ( No US Income )
Was in good terms with him though.
2008- Re-joined him. and filed 485 in EB2. Its is pending .I got AP and EAD Already
Now I dont know what to do . I was expecting my GC in 1 years time. Now EB2 has retrogressed vey badly. I dont know what do do.
Currently I am back on my Prev. Employers H1 since 2008 . I have EAD and AP in hand. If I leave him and get a full time job ( which is preferred ) implicty invoking AC21 can he mess up my GC ?
Can you throw some light about how this works ?
Basically MY BIG PROBLEM is I might have to fight divorce case in India. So I want to plan something so I DON'T loose my job prospects in US ( I am overqualified for most jobs in my niche - Masters from US , and about 30+ Prof Certifications ) so getting it wont be problematic if laws remains same. If laws change to force shutdown of all H1b contracting , then I have NO Choice but roll over to a FT job invoking AC21.
PLEASE KINDLY ADVISE ME
Thanks
Sam
I too have got I140 Approved already in Sept 05.
My concept was that once I140 is approved you are free. Employer cannot do anything.
After 140 approval can employer do anything to jeopardize the GC Process.
Anyway
2005 140 is approved.
2007 I left employer to work in non US Location. ( No US Income )
Was in good terms with him though.
2008- Re-joined him. and filed 485 in EB2. Its is pending .I got AP and EAD Already
Now I dont know what to do . I was expecting my GC in 1 years time. Now EB2 has retrogressed vey badly. I dont know what do do.
Currently I am back on my Prev. Employers H1 since 2008 . I have EAD and AP in hand. If I leave him and get a full time job ( which is preferred ) implicty invoking AC21 can he mess up my GC ?
Can you throw some light about how this works ?
Basically MY BIG PROBLEM is I might have to fight divorce case in India. So I want to plan something so I DON'T loose my job prospects in US ( I am overqualified for most jobs in my niche - Masters from US , and about 30+ Prof Certifications ) so getting it wont be problematic if laws remains same. If laws change to force shutdown of all H1b contracting , then I have NO Choice but roll over to a FT job invoking AC21.
PLEASE KINDLY ADVISE ME
Thanks
Sam
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tnite
09-12 01:26 PM
I called the USCIS customer service and was given the receipt numbers for 485,EAD and AP.The application was put in the system on Sep 8th, Saturday. Checks havent been cashed yet.
Check my signature for the details. USCIS seems to be working overtime.
Check my signature for the details. USCIS seems to be working overtime.
obelix
07-25 08:12 PM
My attorney tells me they don't give employees copies of labor applications.
Is this normal? Would I need it in future - if I switch jobs 180 days after 485 etc?
Is this normal? Would I need it in future - if I switch jobs 180 days after 485 etc?
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neeidd
11-09 06:06 PM
Hi ,
I am planning to use AP for re-enter to USA. Could someone please let me know the list the documents that I should carry ?
Thanks
I am planning to use AP for re-enter to USA. Could someone please let me know the list the documents that I should carry ?
Thanks
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purgan
10-12 12:24 AM
We've all heard about the skilled immigrant co-founders of Yahoo, Google, Ebay, and others.....but Youtube, the revolutionary internet-video sharing service, which was this week acquired by Google for $1.65 Billion, was also foudned by skilled immigrants- actually the son of skilled immigrants who probably came on H-1B visas the US- both are research scientists in Minnesota. These typify the H1B and EB immigrants.....if only our energies were not sapped by this frustrating Green Card process:-):mad:
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NY Times, Oct 12, 2006
With YouTube, Grad Student Hits Jackpot Again
PALO ALTO, Calif., Oct. 11 — For Jawed Karim, the $100,000 or so he would have to spend on a master’s degree at Stanford was never daunting. He hit an Internet jackpot in 2002 when PayPal, the online payment company he had joined early on, was bought by eBay.
On Monday, still early in his studies for the fall term, he got lucky again. This time he may have hit the Internet equivalent of the multistate PowerBall.
Mr. Karim is the third of the three founders of the video site YouTube, which Google has agreed to buy for $1.65 billion. He was present at YouTube’s creation, contributing some crucial ideas about a Web site where users could share video. But academia had more allure than the details of turning that idea into a business.
So while his partners Chad Hurley and Steven Chen built the company and went on to become Internet and media celebrities, he quietly went back to class, working toward a degree in computer science.
Mr. Karim, who is 27, became visibly uncomfortable when the subject turned to money, and he would not say what he stands to make when Google’s purchase of YouTube is completed. He said only that he is one of the company’s largest individual shareholders, though he owns less of the company than his two partners, whose stakes in the company are likely to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars, according to some estimates. The deal was so enormous, he says, that his share was still plenty big.
“The sheer size of the acquisition almost makes the details irrelevant,” Mr. Karim said.
On Wednesday, during a walk across campus and a visit to his dorm room and the computer sciences building where he takes classes, Mr. Karim described himself as a nerd who gets excited about learning. Nothing in his understated demeanor suggests he is anything other than an ordinary graduate student, and he attracted little attention on campus in jeans, a blue polo shirt, a tan jacket and black Puma sneakers.
Mr. Karim said he might keep a hand in entrepreneurship, and he dreams of having an impact on the way people use the Internet — something he has already done. Philanthropy may have some appeal, down the road. But mostly he just wants to be a professor. He said he simply hopes to follow in the footsteps of other Stanford academics who struck it rich in Silicon Valley and went back to teaching.
“There’s a few billionaires in that building,” he said, standing in front of the William Gates Computer Science Building. But his chosen path will not preclude another stint at a start-up. “If I see another opportunity like YouTube, I can always do that,” he said.
David L. Dill, a professor of computer science at Stanford, said Mr. Karim’s choice was unusual.
“I’m impressed that given his success in business he decided to do the master’s program here,” Mr. Dill said. “The tradition here has been in the other direction,” he said, pointing to the founders of Google and Yahoo, who left Stanford for the business world.
Mr. Karim met Mr. Hurley and Mr. Chen when all three of them worked at PayPal. After the company was acquired by eBay for $1.5 billion, netting Mr. Karim a few million dollars, they often talked about starting another company.
By early 2005, all three had left PayPal. They would often meet late at night for brainstorming sessions at Max’s Opera Caf�, near Stanford, Mr. Karim said. Sometimes they met at Mr. Hurley’s place in Menlo Park or Mr. Karim’s apartment on Sand Hill Road, down the street from Sequoia Capital, the venture firm that would become YouTube’s financial backer.
Mr. Karim said he pitched the idea of a video-sharing Web site to the group. But he made it clear that contributions from Mr. Chen and Mr. Hurley were essential in turning his raw idea into what eventually became YouTube.
A YouTube spokeswoman said that the genesis of YouTube involved efforts by all three founders.
As early as February 2005, when the site was introduced, Mr. Karim said he and his partners had agreed that he would not become an employee, but rather an informal adviser to YouTube. He did not take a salary, benefits or even a formal title. “I was focused on school,” he said.
The decision meant that his stake in the company would be reduced, Mr. Karim said. “We negotiated something that we thought was fair.”
Roelof Botha, the Sequoia partner who led the investment in YouTube, said he would have preferred if Mr. Karim had stayed.
“I wish we could have kept him as part of the company,” Mr. Botha said. “He was very, very creative. We were doing everything we could to convince him to defer.”
Mr. Karim was born in East Germany in 1972. The family moved to West Germany a year later and to St. Paul, Minn., in 1992. His father, Naimul Karim, is a researcher at 3M and his mother, Christine Karim, is a research assistant professor of biochemistry at the University of Minnesota.
“To develop new things and be aware of new things, this is our life,” Ms. Karim said, explaining her son’s interest in technology and learning.
After graduating from high school, Jawed Karim chose to go to the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, in part because it was the school that the co-founder of Netscape, Marc Andreessen, and others who gave birth to the first popular Web browser attended.
“It wasn’t like I wanted to be the next Marc Andreessen, but it would be cool to be in the same place,” Mr. Karim said. In 2000, during his junior year, he dropped out to head to Silicon Valley, where he joined PayPal. He later finished his undergraduate degree by taking some courses online and some at Santa Clara University.
Armed with a video camera, Mr. Karim documented much of YouTube’s early life, including the meetings when the three discussed financing strategies and the brainstorming sessions in Mr. Hurley’s garage, where the company was hatched.
In his studio apartment in a residence hall for graduate students, he showed one of them, which he said was filmed in April 2005. In it, Mr. Chen talked about “getting pretty depressed” because there were only 50 or 60 videos on the YouTube site. Also, he said, “there’s not that many videos I’d want to watch.” The camera then turns to Mr. Hurley, who grins and says “Videos like these,” referring to the one Mr. Karim is filming.
Mr. Karim, who has remained in frequent contact with the other co-founders, said he was first informed of the talks with Google last week. On Monday, he was called in to the Palo Alto law offices of Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati to sign acquisition papers, and he briefly got to congratulate Mr. Chen and Mr. Hurley, he said.
Asked what he thought of the acquisition price, Mr. Karim said: “It sounded good to me.” When a reporter looked puzzled, he raised his eyebrows and added: “I was amazed.”
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Btw, the second co-founder, Steven Chen, was also the son of Taiwanese immigrants.
Chen attended the Illinois Math and Science Academy and the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. He was an early employee at PayPal, where he met Chad Hurley and Jawed Karim. The three later founded the YouTube in 2005.
In June 2006, Chen was named by Business 2.0 as one of the "The 50 people who matter now" in business.In August 2006, Chen told Reuters news agency it was hoped that within 18 months the site would "have every music video ever created"
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NY Times, Oct 12, 2006
With YouTube, Grad Student Hits Jackpot Again
PALO ALTO, Calif., Oct. 11 — For Jawed Karim, the $100,000 or so he would have to spend on a master’s degree at Stanford was never daunting. He hit an Internet jackpot in 2002 when PayPal, the online payment company he had joined early on, was bought by eBay.
On Monday, still early in his studies for the fall term, he got lucky again. This time he may have hit the Internet equivalent of the multistate PowerBall.
Mr. Karim is the third of the three founders of the video site YouTube, which Google has agreed to buy for $1.65 billion. He was present at YouTube’s creation, contributing some crucial ideas about a Web site where users could share video. But academia had more allure than the details of turning that idea into a business.
So while his partners Chad Hurley and Steven Chen built the company and went on to become Internet and media celebrities, he quietly went back to class, working toward a degree in computer science.
Mr. Karim, who is 27, became visibly uncomfortable when the subject turned to money, and he would not say what he stands to make when Google’s purchase of YouTube is completed. He said only that he is one of the company’s largest individual shareholders, though he owns less of the company than his two partners, whose stakes in the company are likely to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars, according to some estimates. The deal was so enormous, he says, that his share was still plenty big.
“The sheer size of the acquisition almost makes the details irrelevant,” Mr. Karim said.
On Wednesday, during a walk across campus and a visit to his dorm room and the computer sciences building where he takes classes, Mr. Karim described himself as a nerd who gets excited about learning. Nothing in his understated demeanor suggests he is anything other than an ordinary graduate student, and he attracted little attention on campus in jeans, a blue polo shirt, a tan jacket and black Puma sneakers.
Mr. Karim said he might keep a hand in entrepreneurship, and he dreams of having an impact on the way people use the Internet — something he has already done. Philanthropy may have some appeal, down the road. But mostly he just wants to be a professor. He said he simply hopes to follow in the footsteps of other Stanford academics who struck it rich in Silicon Valley and went back to teaching.
“There’s a few billionaires in that building,” he said, standing in front of the William Gates Computer Science Building. But his chosen path will not preclude another stint at a start-up. “If I see another opportunity like YouTube, I can always do that,” he said.
David L. Dill, a professor of computer science at Stanford, said Mr. Karim’s choice was unusual.
“I’m impressed that given his success in business he decided to do the master’s program here,” Mr. Dill said. “The tradition here has been in the other direction,” he said, pointing to the founders of Google and Yahoo, who left Stanford for the business world.
Mr. Karim met Mr. Hurley and Mr. Chen when all three of them worked at PayPal. After the company was acquired by eBay for $1.5 billion, netting Mr. Karim a few million dollars, they often talked about starting another company.
By early 2005, all three had left PayPal. They would often meet late at night for brainstorming sessions at Max’s Opera Caf�, near Stanford, Mr. Karim said. Sometimes they met at Mr. Hurley’s place in Menlo Park or Mr. Karim’s apartment on Sand Hill Road, down the street from Sequoia Capital, the venture firm that would become YouTube’s financial backer.
Mr. Karim said he pitched the idea of a video-sharing Web site to the group. But he made it clear that contributions from Mr. Chen and Mr. Hurley were essential in turning his raw idea into what eventually became YouTube.
A YouTube spokeswoman said that the genesis of YouTube involved efforts by all three founders.
As early as February 2005, when the site was introduced, Mr. Karim said he and his partners had agreed that he would not become an employee, but rather an informal adviser to YouTube. He did not take a salary, benefits or even a formal title. “I was focused on school,” he said.
The decision meant that his stake in the company would be reduced, Mr. Karim said. “We negotiated something that we thought was fair.”
Roelof Botha, the Sequoia partner who led the investment in YouTube, said he would have preferred if Mr. Karim had stayed.
“I wish we could have kept him as part of the company,” Mr. Botha said. “He was very, very creative. We were doing everything we could to convince him to defer.”
Mr. Karim was born in East Germany in 1972. The family moved to West Germany a year later and to St. Paul, Minn., in 1992. His father, Naimul Karim, is a researcher at 3M and his mother, Christine Karim, is a research assistant professor of biochemistry at the University of Minnesota.
“To develop new things and be aware of new things, this is our life,” Ms. Karim said, explaining her son’s interest in technology and learning.
After graduating from high school, Jawed Karim chose to go to the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, in part because it was the school that the co-founder of Netscape, Marc Andreessen, and others who gave birth to the first popular Web browser attended.
“It wasn’t like I wanted to be the next Marc Andreessen, but it would be cool to be in the same place,” Mr. Karim said. In 2000, during his junior year, he dropped out to head to Silicon Valley, where he joined PayPal. He later finished his undergraduate degree by taking some courses online and some at Santa Clara University.
Armed with a video camera, Mr. Karim documented much of YouTube’s early life, including the meetings when the three discussed financing strategies and the brainstorming sessions in Mr. Hurley’s garage, where the company was hatched.
In his studio apartment in a residence hall for graduate students, he showed one of them, which he said was filmed in April 2005. In it, Mr. Chen talked about “getting pretty depressed” because there were only 50 or 60 videos on the YouTube site. Also, he said, “there’s not that many videos I’d want to watch.” The camera then turns to Mr. Hurley, who grins and says “Videos like these,” referring to the one Mr. Karim is filming.
Mr. Karim, who has remained in frequent contact with the other co-founders, said he was first informed of the talks with Google last week. On Monday, he was called in to the Palo Alto law offices of Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati to sign acquisition papers, and he briefly got to congratulate Mr. Chen and Mr. Hurley, he said.
Asked what he thought of the acquisition price, Mr. Karim said: “It sounded good to me.” When a reporter looked puzzled, he raised his eyebrows and added: “I was amazed.”
====
Btw, the second co-founder, Steven Chen, was also the son of Taiwanese immigrants.
Chen attended the Illinois Math and Science Academy and the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. He was an early employee at PayPal, where he met Chad Hurley and Jawed Karim. The three later founded the YouTube in 2005.
In June 2006, Chen was named by Business 2.0 as one of the "The 50 people who matter now" in business.In August 2006, Chen told Reuters news agency it was hoped that within 18 months the site would "have every music video ever created"
vikki76
07-02 02:16 AM
If Gandhi hadn't shun his western style clothes and became a common indian-India's freedom struggle would have remained in hands of exclusive elite Congress.
Congress was founded by a western person only, with sole aim of "Home Rule".
Gandhi brought Freedom struggle to masses ,and when that spirit was awakened ,everybody decided to participate in struggle in their own way.
Will 30 crore people followed Gandhi followed if he was wearing a three piece suite and speaking to famine ridden half starving Bengal?
Congress was founded by a western person only, with sole aim of "Home Rule".
Gandhi brought Freedom struggle to masses ,and when that spirit was awakened ,everybody decided to participate in struggle in their own way.
Will 30 crore people followed Gandhi followed if he was wearing a three piece suite and speaking to famine ridden half starving Bengal?
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vips63
09-23 04:02 PM
http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/New%20Structure/2nd%20Level%20(Left%20Nav%20Parents)/Green%20Card%20-%202nd%20Level/Pending%20Form%20I-485%20Reports.pdf
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pcs
12-31 09:16 PM
I tried it a lot but could not find it. Actually a lot of us have this situation, where we want to change jobs as the market changed for good.
If you could tell me which thread has this info, it will be wonderful
Have a great 2007
If you could tell me which thread has this info, it will be wonderful
Have a great 2007
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SeanDell
06-01 02:33 PM
Search for "six-month rule", in "trave.state.gov"
If you tell me which country passport you hold, I could tell whether you are exempt from this 6-month-rule or not.
And yes, I mean official requirement for "entry".
How you think H1B documentation will act as a proof of "permanent residence" intention?
Hi Morchu,
I searched travel.state.gov with 'six-month rule', but couldn't come up with anything specific to this. Can you please post me the link? And I have an Indian Passport.
Ok, so how can one prove his intention at the POE for GC?
....would appreciate your reply.
If you tell me which country passport you hold, I could tell whether you are exempt from this 6-month-rule or not.
And yes, I mean official requirement for "entry".
How you think H1B documentation will act as a proof of "permanent residence" intention?
Hi Morchu,
I searched travel.state.gov with 'six-month rule', but couldn't come up with anything specific to this. Can you please post me the link? And I have an Indian Passport.
Ok, so how can one prove his intention at the POE for GC?
....would appreciate your reply.
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SK2007
10-04 04:00 PM
Has anyone been to the Mumbai consulate for stamping
Can you let me know the process?
Also website where I can get more info?
Is this a drop docs at embassy .. and they mail it to you kind of thing?
Thanks
V
Couple of weeks ago, a friend of mine went for visa revalidation at Mumbai, he requested if he can come back in the evening and pick up the passports(all family). He was let come in the evening and pick them up.
Can you let me know the process?
Also website where I can get more info?
Is this a drop docs at embassy .. and they mail it to you kind of thing?
Thanks
V
Couple of weeks ago, a friend of mine went for visa revalidation at Mumbai, he requested if he can come back in the evening and pick up the passports(all family). He was let come in the evening and pick them up.
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sparky_jones
09-30 05:55 PM
I am currently with a company through which I filed my I-485. The filing was done by the company laywer. If I invoke AC21 after 180 days of filing and change to a different company, how would I ensure that USCIS removes the current lawyer as the attorney of record? This is assuming that I want to represent myself and not use a lawyer after switching to a new company.
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05-17 11:00 PM
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It wa the loudest game of the year. The fans are at Playoff Intensity. I want homecourt throughout....and all seven game series. That would be nice.
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indio0617
01-08 02:53 PM
Hello,
My brother-in-law and sister are both Indian Doctors, having a private practice in INDIA. They would like to apply for visitor's visa.
Any suggestion about the problems they may encounter? Do they have to go on two differrent dates for getting the visa stampped at Chennai?
Thanks in Advance,
They can apply together as Husband and wife. They will have to go through the normal procedure for a visitor visa B-2. The important thing will be to prove their non-immigrant intent to the consular officer and that they WILL return to INDIA after their temporary stay.
I would say it is a 50 -50 chance given their profile.
My brother-in-law and sister are both Indian Doctors, having a private practice in INDIA. They would like to apply for visitor's visa.
Any suggestion about the problems they may encounter? Do they have to go on two differrent dates for getting the visa stampped at Chennai?
Thanks in Advance,
They can apply together as Husband and wife. They will have to go through the normal procedure for a visitor visa B-2. The important thing will be to prove their non-immigrant intent to the consular officer and that they WILL return to INDIA after their temporary stay.
I would say it is a 50 -50 chance given their profile.
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04-23 05:52 PM
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ubetman
08-07 08:40 PM
Hi guys,
How to determine to which service center we need to send our application packet? Is it based on the future job location described in the labor certificate or the present physical location of the applicant?
Applying concurrent: 140/485
present physical location(my present address) state comes under : TSC
Future job location state comes under : NSC
Confused...
Thanks in advance
How to determine to which service center we need to send our application packet? Is it based on the future job location described in the labor certificate or the present physical location of the applicant?
Applying concurrent: 140/485
present physical location(my present address) state comes under : TSC
Future job location state comes under : NSC
Confused...
Thanks in advance
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njboy
12-02 11:19 AM
what are our chances if the Dream Act does not pass? Dream is #7 on the list.
Ironically, if a stand alone Dream act without any visa recapture does not pass, our chances of getting a visa recapture added to a bill in 2011 are much greater. The reason is, AILA may start lobbying for our cause, so that they can generate revenues on the 485 filing fees. Most lawyers charge fees for permanent residency application piecemeal. 2K for perm, 1K for 140 (more if premium) etc etc. So we still have some lobbying power with them, considering the fact that they stand to gain atleast $1000 from each family.
The main consideration for lobbying is ofcourse, is there more fees to be charged by our filing for 485, or by keeping us on H1-B. You have to remember, us losing our H1-B status is like them killing a golden goose. No more H1B renewal payout every 3 years
Ironically, if a stand alone Dream act without any visa recapture does not pass, our chances of getting a visa recapture added to a bill in 2011 are much greater. The reason is, AILA may start lobbying for our cause, so that they can generate revenues on the 485 filing fees. Most lawyers charge fees for permanent residency application piecemeal. 2K for perm, 1K for 140 (more if premium) etc etc. So we still have some lobbying power with them, considering the fact that they stand to gain atleast $1000 from each family.
The main consideration for lobbying is ofcourse, is there more fees to be charged by our filing for 485, or by keeping us on H1-B. You have to remember, us losing our H1-B status is like them killing a golden goose. No more H1B renewal payout every 3 years
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a_yaja
06-21 03:10 PM
Congratulations!!!!!
Would you plz confirm us on the Birth Certificate?
Me & my husband got our Birth Certificates in 2005 with all the correct birth details. Do you think we might still need affidavits for Late Registration of Birth?Please throw some light on this as there's lot of confusion going on this.
My BC was issued in 1980 and my DOB is 1974. However, my BC (issued by govt. of Mysore - Bangalore then was part of Mysore then) has a "registered" date as 1974. My lawyer said that since the registered date is 2 days after my birth, there is no problem with the BC.
Would you plz confirm us on the Birth Certificate?
Me & my husband got our Birth Certificates in 2005 with all the correct birth details. Do you think we might still need affidavits for Late Registration of Birth?Please throw some light on this as there's lot of confusion going on this.
My BC was issued in 1980 and my DOB is 1974. However, my BC (issued by govt. of Mysore - Bangalore then was part of Mysore then) has a "registered" date as 1974. My lawyer said that since the registered date is 2 days after my birth, there is no problem with the BC.
puskeygadha
06-02 09:11 PM
there is no 10,000 source but i heard people say that..
are you also their client..are you audited..my audit is on business
necessity and recruitment..
does this mean we are screwed...or will they do something..they are
big law firm..why would we suffer when one lawyer in the big firm makes
stupid mistake
are you also their client..are you audited..my audit is on business
necessity and recruitment..
does this mean we are screwed...or will they do something..they are
big law firm..why would we suffer when one lawyer in the big firm makes
stupid mistake
Dipika
11-14 10:41 AM
thanks for the response ....how long is the response time for such cases....
You may not need to complain to the DOL. just talk on phone with your previous employer (OR Receptionist whoever...) and say that pay me within a week otherwise i'm going to complaint in DOL. Once he get threat of DOL from you, he will call back to you and pay you immediately.
I had same experience and i used above way.
You may not need to complain to the DOL. just talk on phone with your previous employer (OR Receptionist whoever...) and say that pay me within a week otherwise i'm going to complaint in DOL. Once he get threat of DOL from you, he will call back to you and pay you immediately.
I had same experience and i used above way.
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